‘‘Whenever there was a grant, they just X-ed it out, with no metric, no thinking about it, no nothing,’’ Collins tells Reed. ‘‘I mean it’s just incredibly irresponsible.’’

‘‘I think he’s crazy,’’ Reed says.

And Collins adds, ‘‘I’m worried.’’

Collins was heard making unflattering remarks about Republican Representative Blake Farenthold of Texas a day after he blamed ‘‘some female senators from the Northeast’’ for blocking health care. He said he wished he could challenge them to a duel ‘‘Aaron Burr-style.’’

‘‘Did you see the one who challenged me to a duel?’’ Collins asks.

‘‘I know,’’ Reed replies. ‘‘Trust me. Do you know why he challenged you to a duel? ‘Cause you could beat the s--- out of him.’’

Collins continues, ‘‘I don’t mean to be unkind but he’s so unattractive it’s unbelievable.’’ (A2)